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- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Path: netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!scala!darren
- From: darren@scala.scala.com ("Darren M. Greenwald")
- Subject: Re: Dump the crappy hardware!!! (was: Haynie joins AT team)
- Message-ID: <1996Mar28.182233.5063@scala.scala.com>
- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:22:33 GMT
- References: <4j3ltf$l99@serpens.rhein.de> <1504.6660T1391T2901@es.co.nz>
- Organization: US Research and Development - Scala Inc.
-
- In article <1504.6660T1391T2901@es.co.nz> bthompx@es.co.nz (NeuroMancer) writes:
- >
- >Michael van Elst, regarding your message ' Re: Dump the crappy hardware!!! (was: Haynie joins AT team)' -
- >
- >>kpluck@es.co.nz (Kevin Pluck) writes:
- >
- >>>AT are making the wrong move with trying to design hardware for the amiga
- >>>when they should be making the amiga designed for other hardware. Why
- >>>reinvent the wheel?
- >
- >>Because you cannot make money with selling an operating system.
- >
- >What's microslop doing then ?
- >
- >Before you say they are making money off the apps running under
- >windoze, what makes you think that a new amigados could not do the same ?
- >
-
- There you go, keeping in mind the following:
-
- 1.) Microsoft is the one making the money off the applications.
- The Commodore and Apple way of doing business has been quite the opposite.
- Commodore and Apple made/make money selling hardware, the OS being
- required for that hardware, and do not make any significant money
- selling application software.
-
- 2.) Microsoft does not sell computers (they do sell a few
- pieces of hardware of the kind that can be used in all of the
- rest of the PC's sold). Again, opposite of what Commodore and
- Apple do. While Commodore and Apple had/have to compete
- with PC prices, which translates in to decreased profits per
- system, Microsoft only benefits from the competition among
- PC clone vendors. If price wars result in more PC's sold,
- the market for software is just that much bigger (for
- both OS and applications).
-
- 3.) An operating system like Windows, or OS/2 must run on
- a much wider range of hardware configurations than Amiga OS or
- System 7. While Commodore and Apple had/have control over
- the hardware and can test OS releases along with the hardware,
- it is a more difficult problem to build an OS that works with
- all of the various PC configurations out there. Why is
- this significant? Because it is expensive to write drivers
- and test all of these drivers for all of the 3rd party cards
- out there. You would really like to give 3rd parties tool
- kits and let them write and test their own drivers (video
- cards, PCMCIA cards, printer drivers, sound cards, whatever).
-
- The fact is that many PC hardware companies will not
- write drivers for new Operating Systems (not that they
- always do a great job writing drivers for the OS they do
- support!). This is an expense that Microsoft has been
- able to share with the 3rd party developers, but for
- a new OS like OS/2, it took a long time to build up a
- large library of mature drivers.
-
- This is the big problem for a company like Commodore or
- Apple. If they do adopt industry standards, drivers may
- still cost a lot to develop in-house. But what is
- unfortunate is that having spent the money to develop
- drivers, they make little money in return. Say for example
- Commodore or Apple where to write drivers for a dozen or
- so 3rd party video cards. These are included in the OS.
- Great for the 3rd party video card manufacturers (they
- sell more cards and make more profits), but not necessarily
- so great for Commodore or Apple. They might have made
- more money selling their own line of video cards. A
- hardware company like Commodore or Apple needs to make
- money selling you something. If they cannot make much
- on the original system, then they need to make it up
- on add-on hardware or application software or service
- or something.
-
- 4.) Microsoft got in to the PC market early. Playing
- catch up is always hard to do, and will only become
- harder to do as the PC industry matures.
-
- So it is true that Microsoft makes money selling Operating
- Sytems, but that is not their entire business, and they
- have avoided the entire hardware-price-wars scenerios
- that have driven many PC clone makers out of business,
- certainly hurt Commodore, and is hurting Apple. Apple
- is not so much unlike Commodore really. Apple sells
- you a system, and that may be it. Not another dollar
- ever from that customer. That customer may buy all of
- their applications, utilities, and add-on hardware from
- 3rd parties. This was very much true for Commodore. A
- customer buys a system (which Commodore made little on),
- and then spend hundreds or thousands more on software
- and add-ons (none of which benefited Commodore).
-
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- Darren M. Greenwald | Scala Inc. R&D /
- Senior Systems Engineer | darren@scala.com o
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